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WORLDWITHIN@VERIZON.NET December 3rd, 2011 02:44 PM

Eliminate power steering
 
HI,IM NEW. I LIVE IN FL. I HAVE A 1994 RANGER 4 CYL. I WANT TO REMOVE MY A/C AND POWER STEERING. I KNOW THERE IS A SMALLER SERPINTINE BELT. MY QUESTION/PROBLEM HAS TO DO WITH THE POWER STEERING.
IF YOU JUST STOP THE BELT TO A POWER STEERING PUMP ,THEN THE STEERING EFFORT IS MORE THAN RAMBO-LIKE. SO ONE SOLUTION IS TO CHANGE THE WORM BOX TO A MANUAL WITH MORE TURNING FORCE.
I WONDER IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER METHODS ? IF I DRAIN THE FLUID TO THE P/S BOX THEN THERE WOULD BE NO FLUID FEEDBACK TO THE PUMP. WOULD THAT ALLOW THE STEERING EFFORT TO BE REASONABLE ? ALSO,COULD A PERSON CHANGE THE GEARING INSIDE A P/S WORM BOX TO GIVE MORE LEVERAGE ?
I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY ADVICE ON THIS ISSUE. THANKS jim

DoubleDee December 3rd, 2011 03:03 PM

Howdy Jim, welcome to the family!

I don't think draining the P/S would allow a reasonable steering effort. Since the system is a hydraulic one, it's not meant to be used sans fluid.

Just to clarify, if you do the p/s draining, you won't have the serpentine connected to the pump right?

I don't know about changing out the worm box for more leverage.

WORLDWITHIN@VERIZON.NET December 3rd, 2011 03:13 PM

I PLAN TO BUY THE SERP BELT THAT DRIVES ONLY THE ALTERNATOR AND FAN. I WANT THE A/C AND P/S GONE. LESS COMPLEXITY AND GETTER MILEAGE. I LIKE TO DEVO AUTOMOBILES- LIGHTEN THEM UP. I EVEN USE A WICKER PASSENGER SEAT. CRAZY, I KNOW. THANKS FOR REPLY. jim

Russo2 December 3rd, 2011 08:03 PM

There is literally not enough to be gained by deleting a pump to gain hp or mileage.
If working correctly these pumps have little to no drag on them. Keep the pump in good shape and it won't be sticking robbing your hp or mpg.

JSoko December 3rd, 2011 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russo2 (Post 48496)
There is literally not enough to be gained by deleting a pump to gain hp or mileage.
If working correctly these pumps have little to no drag on them. Keep the pump in good shape and it won't be sticking robbing your hp or mpg.

:iagree: but, there again your talking to a guy that put in a wicker seat

Booba5185 December 8th, 2011 11:58 PM

The only time power steering takes any noticeable amount of power is when you are turning, and the pump has to generate more pressure to turn the wheels. So basically the only time you'd notice a power increase is if you were doing figure 8s. Even then, it wouldn't be all that much power.

Russo2 December 9th, 2011 12:26 AM

And who wants to try to do a figure 8 with no power steering? Dude's gunna have a trucker wheel in there with a handicap knob and well there goes the weight loss from a wicker seat, eh?
Reminds me of the ricers removing their back seat for weight reduction.. I digress.

JSoko December 9th, 2011 05:11 AM

we call them knobs on the steering wheel, suicide knobs

WORLDWITHIN@VERIZON.NET December 11th, 2011 11:14 PM

I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. LET ME GIVE AN UPDATE. I INSTALLED THE SMALLER SERP. BELT AND ELIMINATED THE A/C AND P/S PUMP. I HAD READ AND EXPERIENCED THAT OLDER P/S SYSTEMS WHEN DISABLED WOULD HAVE A LOT OF PLAY IN THE STEERING WHEEL. HOWEVER ,BY 1994, THE P/S SYSTEM DOES NOT DO THIS. THERE IS NO PLAY.
STEERING EFFORT WAS MODERATELY HIGH AT SPEEDS BELOW 10 MPH. THEN IT FELT EXACTLY NORMAL AND SIMILIAR TO BEFORE DISABLE MODE. WHEN I REMOVE THE FLUID CONNECTION TO THE PUMP ,I MAY EXPERIENCE EVEN LESS EFFORT AT THE BELOW 10 MPH RANGE.
I AM ALSO CHECKING ABOUT ACQUIRING A MANUAL RECIRCULATING GEARBOX.I TRIED ADVANCE AND PARTS GEEK. ADVANCE WOULD NOT TAKE MY POWER BOX AS A CORE CHARGE AND DID NOT THINK THAT MY A MANUAL WOULD JUST BOLT UP TO MY TRUCKS FRAME. PARTS GEEK WILL GET BACK TO ME ABOUT SAME ? THIS WEEK.
A PICTURE OF THE MANUAL BOX SHOWS 3 BOLTS IN ABOUT AN EQUAL TRIANGLE. MY TRUCK FRAME HAS 3 BOLTS, BUT NOT IN AN EQUAL TRIANGLE. THE SPECS ON THE MANUAL SHOW AN 3/4 INCH OUTPUT SHAFT, MINE APPEARS TO BE 7/8 INCHES. ANSO THERE IS A SPLINE COUNT INVOLVED IN THE SPECS. SO, BOTTOM LINE -THIS MAY NOT BE AN EASY BOLT-ON SWITCH.
THIS IS WHY I WAS HOPING THAT SOMEONE IN YOUR CLUB HAD DONE THIS BEFORE MYSELF. I WILL SEND ANOTHER MSG TO JUSTIFY MY REASONING BEHIND THIS PERCEIVE - OU OF BOX-THINKING. THANKS, jim

HawaiianF150 December 12th, 2011 01:09 AM

yikes - not even with a ten foot pole....


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