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Booba5185 December 6th, 2011 09:18 PM

Rubber Vacuum System Replacement (5.0\5.8 EFI)
 
This should cover most 87-96 V8s (302\351); for the I6s (300)s the solenoids are in the same general
area, as well as the valves. You can use this article as a basis to replace yours, just keep in mind it
will be slightly different.

Parts you'll need:
All available from a local autoparts store (except one)
Approximately 20' of vacuum hose (5\32")
2 Vacuum T's
Patience

To get started, I'll explain what the point of it all is. The EEC (Electronic Engine Control or computer)
uses electronic solenoids to send vacuum to valves (in this case, three valves: the EGR, the TAB
(next to the SMOG pump), and the TAD (behind the upper intake plenum). The EEC sends a
signal to the solenoid and it "opens" the valve to allow the engine vacuum through.
The easiest way to understand this is with the EGR.

At idle, the EGR is normally closed; but when you get to highway speeds, the EEC wants the EGR
to open. The EEC sends the signal to "open" the valve to let the vacuum through and the
vacuum opens the EGR. For a more in depth description of the TAB\TAD systems,
see this post.

The TAB valve works the same way, it either directs the air pumped from the smog pump onward to
the TAD valve (we'll get there) or out to nowhere (not used). When the TAB valve directs the air
onto the TAD valve, the TAD valve either directs the air from the smog pump down into the catalytic
converter, or into the back of the engine. Here's a pic:

http://oldfuelinjection.com/public/tab_tad_evp_coil.jpg

You can see the coil, the TAD, TAB, and EVR solenoids (EVR controls the EGR). You can see
the yellow line coming from the TAD solenoid, the pink line coming from the TAB solenoid, and the line
coming from the EVR is green; can't see it, but it's there. What you can't see (but when you look
at your truck you can) are the vacuum hoses that plug into the bottom of the solenoids. This is
where the vacuum is supplied to the solenoids. On the EVR(EGR) solenoid, it goes straight to the
vacuum tree (vacuum hook-up on the intake manifold). On the EVR(EGR), the top (green)
hose goes straight to the EGR valve, and the Bottom (red) hose goes straight to the intake manifold.

The TAB\TAD valves are a little different, but not much. The only difference is that the red line
(yes, the exact same one that goes to the bottom of the EVR\EGR solenoid) goes all the way over
to the vacuum canister on the fender, the vacuum canister stores vacuum for these valves
(TAB, TAD). Then there is a black vacuum line coming out of the vacuum canister next to the
red line that goes all the way back over to the bottom ports of the TAD\TAB solenoids.
From the top of the TAB solenoid a pink hose is run to the valve right next to the smog pump
(I'll show a pic after this rambling paragraph). From the TAD, there's a yellow hose run to
the TAD valve behind the intake manifold.

Here's a pic of a motor that's pulled, just so you can see where the valves are and such;
but you don't have to pull the motor, lord knows I didn't.

http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p...missionsv8.jpg

You can see the yellow line going to the "diverter" valve (TAD). You can also see
the “bypass” valve (TAB) (you can't see the vacuum line going there, but when you
look at it on your truck you'll see it), plus the EGR and all that other stuff.

Ok, so now that we have an idea of what goes on, let's get started. To avoid confusion,
only run one hose at a time. We need to replace\rerun the red vacuum line, so take a
piece of vacuum hose and run it from the vacuum tree on the intake manifold to
the vacuum canister.

Run it around the back of the engine (I ran it on top of the passenger side valve cover,
under the upper intake plenum). Plug the hose into the vacuum canister where the red
hose plugged into. Here's an overhead pic of how I have my vacuum lines run, you can
also use this to see how to run new (rubber) lines to the FPR (Fuel Pressure Regulator)
and the MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) Sensor. In all my pics I tried to use the most
sophisticated graphic design program known to man (Paint) to help. I tried to keep the
coloring the same as the original colors, with the exception of the MAP sensor and FPR:

http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p...overhead-2.jpg

Go back to the driver side of the intake, where the solenoids are, and cut the vacuum line
you just ran so you can put a "T" on it and run a very short vacuum line to the bottom of
the EVR\EGR solenoid:

http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p...maintcolor.jpg

From the T you connect a short vacuum hose to the bottom of the EVR solenoid, Pic:

http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p.../egrcolor2.jpg

Then run a vacuum hose from the top of the EVR solenoid where the green line used to be
(see pic above) to your EGR valve. I ran the hose through the hole in the middle of the
intake plenum, and then ran it up to the EGR:

http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p...0/egrcolor.jpg

Now go back to the vacuum canister, and run a vacuum hose from the OTHER plug on the
canister(formerly black line) to the bottom port on the 2 solenoids for TAB\TAD. You will
need another "T" so that you can split the hose into 2 hoses, one for each solenoid.
Kind of hard to see in this pic, you can see the white tip of the T, but it'll make sense
when your doing it:

http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p.../0/accolor.jpg

2 hoses coming from the vacuum canister (A.C. stands for After Canister):

http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p...istercolor.jpg

After that, run a hose from the top port on the TAD (front of the 2 solenoids) to the diverter
valve behind the intake plenum (originally it was a yellow hose). Here's a pic, I literally
set my camera on the intake plenum, and took a picture behind it; so it's kind of close up:

http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p...0/tadcolor.jpg

Almost done!
All that's left is to run a vacuum hose from the top port of the rear-most solenoid (TAB)
to the valve that’s right by the smog pump. This was the hardest part for me, but I have
fat fingers, and truthfully it wasn't that bad; just annoying. Here's a pic, it might be easier
to plug the hose in from under the truck, but I was able to do it from the top.
http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p...0/tabcolor.jpg

http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p...bfromframe.jpg

Here's the solenoids with the TAD, TAB, and the A.C. (After Canister) line:
http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p.../0/tabtadc.jpg

That’s it for the SMOG stuff, but if you want to completely do away with all the plastic crap,
you can run a new hose from the vacuum tree straight to the FPR (fuel pressure regulator),
as well as a vacuum hose straight from the vacuum tree to the MAP sensor.
Here's some pics of the whole set up, you can see the hoses going to the solenoids:

http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p...0/overall2.jpg

If you change out the FPR and the MAP hoses, then you can literally take out the plastic
crap so it doesn't clutter up your engine bay, like I did:

http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p...0/p1020407.jpg

That's pretty much it, now you have a rubber vacuum system!

JSoko December 7th, 2011 05:32 PM

:goodpost:
good informative post, and ya did'nt even get that finger dirty:thumbsup:

Russo2 March 28th, 2012 04:48 PM

I'm going to start doing this in a couple days.
Are the T's necessary? I know it's different for the 300, but I need to replace vac lines either way.

Ridgerunner March 28th, 2012 09:31 PM

I need to find out if the 85-86 has this system.

Booba5185 March 28th, 2012 10:50 PM

As far as I know it does, I ran it by Miesk (owner of broncolinks.com) and he verified that it should.

Ridgerunner March 28th, 2012 10:54 PM

Thanks. I will have a lot to do to catch up.

Booba5185 March 28th, 2012 11:03 PM

If you want, take some pics of the driver's side of the plenum (under your airbox) and I can tell you for sure.

Ridgerunner March 28th, 2012 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Booba5185 (Post 56090)
If you want, take some pics of the driver's side of the plenum (under your airbox) and I can tell you for sure.

I will take a some more pictures tomorrow.

nine5flareside April 28th, 2012 12:01 AM

booba, lets see an updated pic from under your hood!

Booba5185 April 28th, 2012 01:49 AM

Not much has changed, I had to rearrange the smog stuff on the passengerside firewall(too fit dual batteries and my relay box), but it is all still there. I have upgraded to GT40P heads, which don't have the crossover tube holes in the back of the head, so I bypasses the TAD valve and crossover tube. I ran the hose from the TAB valve directly to the check valve coming up from the catalytic converter.
Passenger side, it's not quite as cramped as it looks, not quite...:
http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p...0/p1030514.jpg
Overall:
http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/p...0/p1030520.jpg

BoxerTwin April 19th, 2013 01:12 AM

This is the greatest post I have seen. The plastic lines I gave the finger to were not all in one piece. They had all crumbled as I was taking them out.

Great post, thanks.

Booba5185 April 19th, 2013 01:18 AM

Anytime, if you need help with anything else on these trucks, start a thread and we will help!

JSoko April 19th, 2013 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxerTwin (Post 77908)
This is the greatest post I have seen. The plastic lines I gave the finger to were not all in one piece. They had all crumbled as I was taking them out.

Great post, thanks.

that is a Great compliment for the Site and the Thread Author

The Frankster April 20th, 2013 12:56 PM

I read that post over a year ago when I found out some of Booba's items in signature high lighted. Mine needs that too. Wish you could buy colored vacuum line. Just keeping it factory like ya know. I want to do the Saginaw swap also. Great story on your truck from a post in late 2011 also Booba.

jpachla June 11th, 2013 09:15 AM

This is a great thread, except i'm not sure it applies to my 1990 e350 351w.

The vacuum source line on my evr is white. And it appears to have no vacuum.

Booba5185 June 11th, 2013 10:50 AM

Where does the other side of the white line go?

jpachla June 11th, 2013 10:54 AM

goes up and over to the canister under the passengers door,, but it turns to steel line just below the egr. And i have found that the lines disappear between the frame and body making it very difficult to see where they go.

Should the vacuum supply to evr always have vacuum?

Booba5185 June 11th, 2013 11:30 AM

Yep, and so should the TAD\TAB solenoids. They all lead to the same place for supply, it'll go from the vacuum tree to the canister to the solenoids. Check to see if your canister has rusted out.

jpachla June 11th, 2013 12:00 PM

ok, then. Looks like I have some detective work to do. my black and red from the canister have vacuum,, just not the white. and my canister is plastic. So I guess than only leaves one line to check.

Just for grins and giggles,,, could I pull a vacuum source from elsewhere to supply the evr?

Of course I realize that I still have to find the leak that is causing the white line to have no vacuum,,so guess it dont matter... just thinking out loud here


thanks for info,,, sometimes you get tunnel vision

Booba5185 June 11th, 2013 12:09 PM

You could connect the EVR directly to the vacuum tree, but yea you still gotta find that leak. On some trucks, the EVR is connected to the vacuum tree stock.

jpachla June 11th, 2013 11:53 PM

Well I poked around a bit today, after I got the intake put back on, and valve covers done,, They were leaking. Pondering. The connector on my white vacuum line from the evr to the steel line that connects to the resevoir is the same size as the vacuum source connector from the manifold. If they had been confused, what could I expect?

I ask because after messing around with the resevoir, I see no reason I have no vacuum to the white line. the resevoir is plastic and is good shape. dont know how I would test it anyway

jpachla June 12th, 2013 10:48 AM

below is my resevoir, The white line i have no vacuum on would come from the bottom right. The bottom left is the vacuum supply.

Whats happening is the bottom left is just a indefinite vacuum. its not releasing to the the right side evr port.

The top ports are fine,, but they are a different chamber in this dual chamber unit.

Do resevoirs get clogged?

In addition,,, if I tap the other line that is getting vacuum, I lose cruise control. hmmmmmmmmmm





http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6764/923w.jpg

jpachla June 12th, 2013 03:12 PM

UPDATE:

I went out ans switched the lines as they came down the firewall.. black to white, white to black.

After a test drive.. I am getting vacuum at the evr and my criuse in operational.

apparetnly the person who did my injectors last year switched them.. which should remind everyone to label stuff..

Thanks for the assistance

Booba5185 June 12th, 2013 04:59 PM

Anytime, I was gonna recommend you do that, lol. Great minds think alike.

JSoko June 12th, 2013 06:52 PM

dont forget to plug any unused ports

memphoman April 3rd, 2015 10:31 AM

Vacuum Maze!
 
Great thread, but as usual for me, I have mysteries unsolved.

A: What is this line for?
B: Should there be a hose attached to this?
http://designabolic.com/storage/f150-Vacuum-issue-A.jpg

C: I notice you have a hose running from the tree that I do not. What does this line go to?
http://designabolic.com/storage/f150-missing-link.jpg

Thanks in advance!

JSoko April 4th, 2015 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memphoman (Post 89203)
Great thread, but as usual for me, I have mysteries unsolved.
Thanks in advance!

you may want to PM Booba, he stays busy

Booba5185 April 5th, 2015 12:32 AM

A - Goes to the main vacuum tree, it supplies vacuum to the HVAC system. Leave the round disc thing, it's a check valve.

B - Is the inlet breather for the smog pump

C - Vacuum line for the cruise control

I do stay busy, sadly not as much on my truck anymore. Mainly the car, kids, and work. Truck will be getting loving very soon though.

mrmessma October 10th, 2018 09:16 AM

First of all, let me say thanks! This is literally the holy grail of vacuum line posts. I've been dealing with an 401 EGR CEL off and on for over a year, so I'm more than excited to find this post.

I know this is a giant thread resurrection but I have to ask, these can be normal vacuum hose lines correct? They do not need to be silicone? I know silicone can handle higher temps, but they don't sell it by the foot like non silicone. Thanks again.

harrison28 October 10th, 2018 01:58 PM

Guess that would depend on the temperature rating of the regular type hose.

mrmessma February 7th, 2019 04:12 PM

FWIW, they don't need to be silicone, they just don't get hot enough. I did end up finding 6' pieces of silicon, which I cut to fit appropriately. After replacing the vacuum reservoir (with a plastic GM piece, no point in putting another metal one in), everything is working well and has been for the last 5 months. Thanks, again.

harrison28 February 8th, 2019 11:10 AM

Did you end up finding the hose pieces at a regular parts store?


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