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Old January 23rd, 2013, 07:18 PM
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So I've been racking my brain and racking my f!@#ing brain trying to solve a few problems with the Bronco. The starter issue, transmission rebuild, etc. I don't know how much longer this tranny is gonna last, it's already showing the black in the fluid from the coating on the bands heating hot and burning/falling off, so it's a matter of time before it clogs the valve body and the rest of the tranny.

I talked to dad all damn morning this morning, he's on board with it, but it'll have to wait til we get another dependable vehicle so I can work on this. Plan is swapping the C6 to a New Process 435 Hydraulic, the reason for Hydraulic is less moving parts underneath, won't need to weld a bunch of stuff on to work a manual/rod engagement tranny. I really want to put a ZF5 in it, but they have internal slave cylinder's instead of the 435's exterior firewall mounted slave cylinder, so IDK if there is more linkage there or not.. So, I'm going to research as much as I can before I start on the swap, if I can do a ZF5 I'm going to hunt LKQ til I find an F250 4x4 with a 351w, I don't think an M5OD will stand up behind a 351w...

The reason for the ZF is, I'd REALLY love to have a 4th or 5th gear for overdrive instead of the 3spd C6..

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Old January 23rd, 2013, 08:17 PM
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An M5OD will work if you drive it gingerly. But why do that when better equipment is out there, right? The only problem i forsee with a ZF5 is did Ford ever put one in a Bronco? Reason being the rear drive shaft will have to be made/ shortened. I have no clue as to the cost of that. The front should work right out of the donor truck, with at the most, a special u joint/s between a 3/4 ton ZF5 shaft and 1/2 ton diff yoke. Finding another C6 4x4 trans may be the more cost effective route. Not sure.



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I'm with J on the car thing...
But the zf is external salve, but it's hard to come by since the only came in small block gas trucks of the 3/4 and one ton type. A hydraulic 435 will be no easy thing either. 86 is a flip flop year, I think you bronc would of came factory with a hydraulic set up. You absolutely have to find the pedal assembly from a hydraulic truck, the ones for the mechanical clutch will not work. I have more info on this saved somewhere, I will get back to you on it more later.


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1984-1987 F150's and Bronco's used the Hydraulic 435, I know this, in a weird kinda nice way, because of Steve83, he gave me the link to his Album with his 435 Hyd swap, I've just gotta go back over everything. I know the fun part is gonna be finding the 4x4 Hyd 435, but they are out there, last time I was at LKQ, bout a month or so ago, there was a 4x4 1981 on the lot, it was manual(not hyd), 302, and Np208, but what caught my eye, the t-case had been twin sticked, I would've so liked to have swapped all that into mine.....

Either way, I'll probably do the 435 after talking with biker on the phone. I'll have to have custom shafts made for the ZF5, whereas 435, I've just gotta buy/find a bronc with a 435 and get the shaft, front should be same, rear is what I'll need. Yes, I'm aware I'll need the Hyd 435 pedal assembly, that was one thing Steve went through on his swap, looked a bit of a bitch as well...

If push did come to shove, and I had to rebuild the C6, I'd build it wide ratio and rebuild it with the HD kit from www.c6-c4.com but I'll more than likely swap it from Auto just to get rid of the headache anyway..
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The pedal assembly really isn't that bad, I've done mine twice. Do yourself a favor and make a permanent clutch rod fix from the get go.


You can buy one for ~40 bucks or make your own for ~10


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