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Does anyone know if the accessory brackets on the Gen 1 lighting 351 are the same as a 92 - 96 F150 302?

Is the 351 block wider than a 302 block?




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351w is Taller Decked than a 302:

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The V8 Ford Windsor motor family is considered by performance enthusiasts to be one of the greatest and most successful engines produced by the Ford Motor Company. It is referred to as the Small Block Ford by major aftermarket auto parts companies, parts catalogs, on internet forums, and by Ford itself.

Introduced in 1962 as part of Ford's "Total Performance" era, the Ford Windsor design succeeded the Ford Y-block engine family, rendering the latter obsolete for performance purposes.

The Windsor family evolved significantly during its 40-year history through technology, performance, and reliability enhancements. Engine displacement also increased from 221 cu in (3.6 L) up to 351 cu in (5.8 L). Engines and their components naturally vary between models and displacements. Despite this, however, many parts are interchangeable. For performance enthusiasts, this means that older motors can frequently be retrofitted with replacement or upgraded parts. An abundant supply of aftermarket parts also exists to fit a wide range of Windsor models.

These motors were originally produced at Ford's Windsor, Ontario engine plant, hence the Windsor designation. From 1969, though, all Ford small blocks (i.e., Windsors) were produced in Cleveland, Ohio. The mid-sized 335 "Cleveland" V8, introduced in 1970, was intended to replace the larger of the Windsor models. The Windsor, however, ended up outliving its replacement.

Ultimately, in 1991, Ford began phasing out the Windsor engine and replacing it with their new 4.6 L Modular V8 engine. In 1996, Ford replaced the 5.0 L (302 cu in) pushrod Windsor V8 with the Modular 4.6 L in the Mustang. Its use continued until 1997 in the F-150 pickup truck, and until 2001 in the Explorer SUV.

From the mid-1970s through the 1990s, the Windsor engine was also marinized for use in smaller recreational boats. As of 2008, Windsor engines, including the 5.8 L (351 cu in) and 5.0L 302, are still being manufactured; available as complete crate motors from Ford Racing and Performance Parts.
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The 351 cu in (5.8 L) Windsor featured a 1.3 in (32.5 mm) taller deck height than the 302, allowing a stroke of 3.5 in (88.9 mm). Although related in general configuration to the 289-302 and sharing the same bell housing, motor mounts and other small parts, the 351W had a unique, tall deck block, larger main bearing caps, thicker, longer connecting rods, and a distinct firing order (1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 versus the usual 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8), adding some 25 lb (11 kg) to the engine's dry weight. The distributor is slightly different to accommodate a larger oil pump shaft and larger oil pump. Some years had threaded dipstick tubes.

It had a unique head which optimized torque over high-rpm breathing, frequently replaced by enthusiasts with aftermarket heads providing better performance. The early 1969 and 1970 heads had larger valves and ports for better performance. The intake valves and ports were slightly larger on the early engines. The head castings and valve head sizes from 1969 to 1976 were different, notably in passages for air injection and spark plug diameters (1969-1974 18 mm, 1975 and up 14 mm).

From 1977 onward, the 351W shared the same head casting as the 302, differing only in bolt hole diameters (7/16 inch for 302, 1/2 inch for 351W). Early blocks (casting id C9OE-6015-B had enough metal on bearing saddles 2,3 and 4 for four bolt mains) as with all SBF, were superior in strength to most late model, lightweight castings. Generally the 1969 to 1974 blocks are considered to be far superior in strength than the later blocks making these early units some of the strongest and most desirable in the entire SBF engine family including the 335 series.

During the 1980s a four barrel version (intake manifold casting id E6TE-9425-B) was re-introduced for use in light trucks and vans. In 1988 fuel-injection replaced the four barrel carburetor. Roller lifters were introduced in this engine in 1994.
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So, I'd say you could use the Bracketry off of a lightning, it appears that the 289, 302, and 351w share the same small parts.
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Yea, they are interchangeable, they'll work.


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I think the 351 is wider where the manifold sits. I bet a 302 manifold will be too small for a 351.




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It is, about 1/4" or so both sides to narrow, the brackets are the same though, so is the timing cover and water pump and timing chain.
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302 & 351 manifold are not interchangeable


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Exhaust manifold is, but the intake manifold is not. I wanna say the 302 intake manifold is ~9 inches and the 351W intake is ~11 inches or so.


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