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Old February 2nd, 2013, 05:01 PM
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So, I need extra cooling, 436hp on the dyno sounds great! feels great! Alas the problem comes in middle of summer, temperatures hit 100°F routinely here as well. We all know this is harder on a engine, this is the time of year and temperatures I'm in when I hook up to the toy hauler which weighs at 8000# roughly. Throw a few hills in the mix of 5-7 miles and varying from 6-10% grade, well, it over heats

For a year I've been asking local vendors who have turned me down for building or locating a aluminum radiator with more cooling capacity. Aluminum tanks is just a nice bonus.

I think I may have stumbled across something here yesterday. A company named Mishimoto offers a 100% aluminum radiator for the 99 - 2004 lightning! Last time I checked, the lightning 99 - 2004 and 97 - 2003 (2004 heritage) use the same 2 row radiator. Price tag is $600, or if I take my chance on an ebay seller, possibly $450!


What would you guys do?


Also going to throw in there, I have an aftermarket cooler, should I bypass the radiator's trans cooler and rely solely on my aftermarket cooler (with t-stat and fan) its a Derale, I think its somewhere around 16 passes and I'll check it out here after I go play with the motor.

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Old February 2nd, 2013, 05:40 PM
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Mishimoto has been dominate in the import world. It's the preffered choice of anyone running high RPMs with fair amounts of boost. They're all welded aluminum so i would think they're quality.



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I like what I seen from there website, my question is becoming how can they claim 30% cooling increase over stock "composite" radiators, with the same footprints and no thickness added?

I also noticed that for a lot more money than I'm willing to spend, flexalite has a much thicker radiator choice too! Almost 4"!

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I like what I seen from there website, my question is becoming how can they claim 30% cooling increase over stock "composite" radiators, with the same footprints and no thickness added?
Type and grade of materials used. More specifically how the materials dissipate heat with airflow.



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So its a fair option, should net me some cooling capacity over what I was getting from a common replacement 2 row composite radiator.

Have you seen the radiator that flexalite offers? It has extra surface area in the coolant tanks that may add to some cooling effect, but the biggest thing is its listed as 3.75" core thickness (2 row). Big con aside from the pocketbook is the fact it does not come standard with a draincock or the port for the reservoir to hook into the tank. Plus it requires the use of a mounting kit instead of posts in rubber mounts.

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Another thing to consider is the ad claims 30%. Does it say "up to" 30%? The fact that it is all aluminum means it will cool better than stock. Mishimoto is a performance aftermarket radiator, not an OEM supplier. So its a safe bet that the differences are enough from a performance aspect. No, i haven't seen the flexalite radiators, but from what it sounds like, it's more money and more work. I don't know if you've ever run it, but I've run the "water wetter" additive back when i had the red truck. My temp in the summer ran about 210° dumped a bottle of this stfff in the radiator and it dropped to 200° consistently. That was in 100°+ temps in town driving.



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klitch, give this shop a call,
tommy's auto service
2643 22nd Avenue North
St. Petersburg, FL 33713
(727) 323-1444

they are local to me(like 10 minutes away from the house) they've built custom radiators for my dad back in the day for a 350 swap in a s10(before v8 swap kits where around)... we also had them do the radiator in our expedition, the heat exchangers on the motors in the boat... always had good service from them... i know they build custom radiators, im pretty sure they can build you what you want.

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Yes they say "up to"
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The Mishimoto performance aluminum radiator for the Ford Lightning is the ideal upgrade to the stock Lightning radiator. Designed and engineered to maximize cooling efficiency by up to 30%, boost engine functions and protect your car from overheating. The Mishimoto Ford Lightning Radiator includes an internal transmission cooler that functions perfectly with the Lightning's automatic transmission.
I like the idea of it being full aluminum and direct fit, unless something is magically different from the lightning and my early 97 front end.

I just discovered my auxiliary trans cooler is only a 8 pass 10x9 rough measurement. So I think I need to continue with using the radiator section like I have been doing.

I've heard of that water wetter type product in the dirt bike circuits. Trail riders love it because the new high compression thumpers demand heavy heat exchange and low speeds in some trails. Didn't know we had that option for trucks/cars.

Thanks Aaron I'll try calling them this Monday. See what they can offer for a price, would LOVE something with an impressive heat exchange capacity, also discovered my e-fan housing has one busted mount which explains that vibration, so perhaps I can get a complete package deal.

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I will say that some that only have 2 rows as stock have larger tubes
but when you let more flow go through at a high velocity Gallons per minute you actually lose cooling
I'll have to think on this and ask my cooling GURU, Kevin Thompson; if that sorry sack of shit will call me back

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I talked to my son in Juneirah UAE.. He shipped over his 04 lightning over a year ago.. He did an engine /trans transplant fron 2vsc to 4vsc out of a totaled 10GT500.. I asked him about the rad and he said his ia a mishimoto setup.. He says he drives it in the summer towing his sand rail in the summer(which maxed out @117f last year) He told me it ran cool as a cucumber.. Air on, shitty dubai traffic.. He said it set him back 600 but said well worth it..

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